we're very concerned about what the economic impact could be of going over the fiscal cliff. again, taxes going up on middle-class americans. some industry potentially coming to a standstill. so underlying everything else in our state is growth. if the economy is not growing, in fact, if it is contracting, it will be bad for tax receipts, and it will be bad because it means fewer people working. that's a critically important piece of it. the second thing is making sure as these negotiations take place, the impact on states, on local governments, on our citizens, is carefully considered. >> susie: governor markell, thec s thank you so muh for coming on the program. >> thank you. >> tom: from a governor's take, we now turn to the view from the private sector. some of the nation's leading c.e.o.s have banded together with deficit commission co- chairs erskine bowles and alan simpson to launch the "fix the debt" campaign. darren gersh spoke with maya macguineas, one of the organizers of the campaign. darren began by asking her if the business leaders are making a difference. >> i